Monday, March 14, 2011

Libertarians do not belong with either conservatives or liberals

A couple of days ago Peter Jaworski published a post explaining why he felt that libertarians should abandon the “old fusionism” and alliance with conservatives and embrace a “new fusionism” with liberals. I agree with the first part but I disagree with the second part. A fusion with what statist-liberals would not work any better than a fusion with conservatives.

My experience with writing at the Western Standard was very similar to Peter’s. It got to the point that I hesitated to post because it was not worth the hassle of hostility that would fill my in-box. I have also noticed that at many political events or parties the room automatically splits between libertarians and conservatives. There is a hostility that stem from having antagonistic values and the last decade has shown that it is impossible to adequately bridge that difference.

Peter goes on to say that the values espoused by liberals are basically the same as his values. Peter Jaworski is a liberal and for most purposes so am I. But we belong to one side of two warring tribes of liberals. I think we can broadly define the two sides as market-liberals and statist-liberals.

It would seem that reuniting the liberal family would be a much easier alliance than the declining fusionism between libertarians and conservatives. Peter suggests that the main difference is an empirical one. Which is better at achieving the desired results? Is it the market or is it the state?

There are problems inherent in bridging an empirical gap. For one thing, evidence offered by the social sciences is never completely concrete and is almost always open to interpretation. Some say that the recent “stimulus” packages have debunked the concept of a government stimulus. Others say that there merely wasn’t enough of a stimulus or that the economy would have suffered more without it. You can spend years of your life having this debate without ever being able to convince even the most reasonable critic. (Look here and here for a discussion on the problems with bridging the empirical gap).

Unfortunately the difference between market-liberals and statist-liberals goes beyond the empirical debate. I agree and admit that they have the same values but they clearly order them differently. A market-liberal puts more importance on individuality than a statist-liberal even though they both value it. This difference means that often they frame a policy question differently. A market-liberal would ask, “Is the state effective at achieving this goal (demanding proof that state interference is justified)?” and a statist-liberal would ask, “Is the market effective at achieving this goal (demanding proof that state interference is not needed)?” The goal may be the same but the burden of proof is shifted the other way around.

The outcome of this burden shift is that statist-liberals will interpret empirical data with a fundamentally different value assumption. They will look at the results of the “stimulus” spending and assume that things would have been worse without it. A market-liberal will look at the exact same data and assume the opposite. An empirical argument alone is not enough to convince either side.

The reality is that market-liberals (or libertarians) would be wiser to avoid entangling alliances with either conservatives or statist-liberals. On particular issues we may find common ground with either but cooperation should be more ad hoc. There is no reason why libertarians should be forced to sacrifice some of our goals to work with ideological groups that are bound to be hostile to us.

9 comments:

Simeon (Sam) George Drakich said...

Libertarians are arrogant lazy anarchists.

Alex said...

Simeon is a predjudiced lying agent provacatuer.

Should we split, I'm with the Libertrians... but we shouldn't split. I don't mind Socons and the rest as long as they aren't socialists. Socialism is the one thing I cannot assist for any reason ever.

Simeon (Sam) George Drakich said...

Alex said...
Simeon is a predjudiced lying agent provacatuer.

lol

Alex said...

;)

Hugh MacIntyre said...

Alex,

Does a socialist by any other name anger you as much? A statist is a statist and no statist deserves my absolute political loyalty.

Craig Smith said...

Everyone has slightly different beliefs. Does that mean that everyone should have their own political party?

Alex said...

You are absolutely correct. No Party or even an ideology comes before my self interest. Imagine some libertarian genius made the argument that requires suicide or statist enslavement to be true to the ideal. I reject it. My compass points to freedom, but there is the occasional mountain or river in my path. The Conservative big tent will keep blasting until we carve a route through these Mountainous obstacles like the msm and unions and special interests that block our way.

Hugh MacIntyre said...

Craig,

The very fact that you asked that question demonstrates a set of blinders when it comes to politics.

Political parties are not the be all and end all of political participation. Far more important activities are participating in the exchange of ideas, advocacy, research, or being a media personality. In these roles you can change minds and help shape public opinion. Political parties are far too often forced to follow public opinion rather than set it.

The ultimate goal of the libertarian movement should be having libertarian sympathizers in EVERY political party.

Anonymous said...

This post demonstrates why I consider you to be The Volunteer's brain Hugh. Otherwise I've just given up on that place.

Right now in the States at least it makes sense for libertarians to infect and coopt the 'conservative movement' to its own ends. There's an opening; take it. We should prepare to do something similar in Canada instead Mike Brock and Terence Watson would rather snub their noses out of cultural contempt and chase non-existant pro-freedom liberals.

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