The Leadership Review is a very controversial and contentious vote. There is a debate going on in the party. It is a debate that is steeped in historical and personal antagonism. In such a climate it is the democratic process that will hold the party together. It is one of the great benefits of democracy that allows difficult issues to be discussed and dealt with without any collapse of order. Thanks to the democratic process we can have debates about leaders and then come together in unity. We know our voices have been heard.
But what happens when that democratic process is subverted or corrupted? What happens if one side does not follow the rules?
The Toronto-Centre DSM is a good case study. There was a youth association established without the recognition of the senior party or the knowledge of the riding youth membership. There was no Toronto-Centre Youth Association on the OPCYA website. This youth association did not follow the proper rules of establishment and therefore was not valid. But they had a ‘dsm’ in someone’s apartment and they are sending delegates.
All the delegates are supporting John Tory. Any youth that are known to be against John Tory were kept in the dark.
There is an illusion going around that the youth in general support John Tory. This is simply a product of this sort of scheming and underhanded tactics that are stifling the voices of Yes supporting youth.
Here is the true danger to party unity. Challenging the leader under the rules of the constitution will not destroy the PCPO. Making a significant portion of the party feel coerced and cheated, that will destroy our party. Undercutting the democratic process and breaking DSM rules will create a poisonous relationship between the membership and the establishment.
I understand that Tory supporters think that their cause is just. But beyond a just cause they must fight justly. Otherwise all could be lost.
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Who authorized this meeting and who is declaring it valid and therefore it's delegates eligible to vote? Either the OPCYA executive, the Party Executive or both must have a hand in this.
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The OPCYA executive don't alone have the power to let a youth club hold a DSM and have delegates. Youth clubs have to be approved by the riding executive. It is up to the party to disallow these delegates.
#2 has it right. It will be a test of the credential chair and the whole process on if these delegates are allowed.
Let me guess what will happen...
...NOTHING....
The Executive is on Tory's Team
http://www.victory07.ca/resources/opcya-associationsLIST.pdf
That is the list of recognized ridings, and Toronto Centre is actually listed...
No, "Toronto Centre" isn't listed. "Toronto Centre Rosedale" is listed though. That is a huge distinction. All youth associations needed to be refounded after riding redistributions and it doesn't appear this one was.
Even if they did hold an AGM/founding meeting before the August cut-off date, the riding assocation exec has to recognize the youth association, but it doesn't appear that this one did. Just look at this newsletter the riding put out in December (months after the cut-off for being a recognized youth association):
http://www.torontocentrepc.ca/images/3rd%20newsletter.pdf
They explicitly say there isn't a recognized youth association in the first paragraph.
Also look at the official notice given to members where it says that there will be 5 youth spots up for grabs:
http://www.torontocentrepc.ca/images/DSM%20notice.pdf
There is no possibly way this "youth association" should be allowed to have delegates. I hope the party does the right thing here and will not pass any judgement on them until they reach a decision. As Hugh said in a previous comment, "It will be a test of the credential chair and the whole process on if these delegates are allowed."
The senior riding association actually does not get to choose whether the youth association exists or not. It is up to the OPCYA to either recognise them or not. It's great if the senior riding association does recognize them, but even if they do not, there's not much they can do about it.
This debate, however, is useless, because the Toronto Centre Youth Association is one of the oldest youth associations in Ontario...It's been around forever.
Damn, I must have missed all these Toronto Centre youth association events. When was the last one?
been around forever? Toronto-Center has only been around since August, how could they have had a youth association before that?
Why has so many downtown conservative youth never heard of this organization before? Where were they during the election? There was no organization of youth in the Toronto-Center campaign.
Another question, why did only No people know about this dsm?
The issue here is the abuse and undercutting of the process. I've heard no anonymous person address this.
The answer from the OPCYA and PCPO executives on the validity of this Youth Association will be very telling. I look forward to seeing the documentation they will present. As they say in politics, it's not the actual event that gets people in trouble, it's the eventual clumsy attempts at cover up.
Anon 3:24 - Speaking as someone who recently went through the process of founding a youth association, I can tell you that your take on this is somewhat in error. Firstly, while you're right that the riding association is not required to approve of the youth association, they are required to be notified. Since that seems not to have been the case here, it's rather illegitimate.
Secondly, having been around "forever" is insufficient - it has to have been re-founded after the riding redistribution that took place a few years back. If it wasn't, a lineage stretching back to 1867 won't help it - you only get delegates if you've been founded for *this* Toronto Centre, not merely a different riding with a similar name.
The victory07 website was launced after redistirubtion, and the Toronto Centre-Rosedale thing was likely a mistake on the part of whoever published it.
As for the fact that the riding association didn't approve it, they don't have to, and if they weren't aware of it, then that is their failing. The association has been listed on the website for a while.
I think some of you in the rest of Ontario need to realize that we here in the Liberal wasteland can't always have our youth associations quite as active as those in more conservative parts of the province, where they actually have a conservative MPP or MP.
There is no reason that the delegates from this youth association shoudn't be allowed.
It is not the failing of the association that they don't know about the youth association. How could they know about it if no one tells them? It is the failing of the youth.
I live in Trinity-Spadina. Believe me I know what a wasteland is. But I would expect a youth association to at least be active during an election (otherwise what's the point?). The reality is this association did not exist before.
Kevin - The Kitchener-Waterloo club has also been listed on that site since it went live, and I believe it was on the pcyouth.on.ca site it replaced as well. And yet, when we tried to nominate youth delegates, we found out that our club was not officially recognized because it was too new. I'm not disputing that fact, since I'm pretty sure we were founded after August 22nd and the listing on the website was erroneous. That's far from the only error on that sheet, but it's the one I can testify to personally, and it goes to show that the website's list of youth associations is far from reliable. Simply the fact that TCR was listed on the website is hardly convincing proof that TC has a recognized youth association.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz_M1x2mAdc
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